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It is not good for hardwoking IGNOU students as far I am concern IGNOU student is better then regular average students.

It is not good for hardwoking IGNOU students as far I am concern IGNOU student is better then regular average students.

SBI is a big employer. So this issue must be taken up with the IGNOU VC so that he may send a letter in similar lines to SBI authorities. Students of MBA should take the initiative.

SBI is a big employer. So this issue must be taken up with the IGNOU VC so that he may send a letter in similar lines to SBI authorities. Students of MBA should take the initiative.

hi all   SBI has advertised for 500 Management Executives in Senior Management Grade Scale 3. Eligibility is 3 years experience and Post Graduate Degree/Diploma in Business Administration or CA or ICWA. However, still they have included below clause in the advertisement (The course should be with a minimum 2 years full time duration. [b]Course completed through correspondence / part time are not eligible[/b]. The institute should be recognized / approved by Government / AICTE) This means IGNOU's MBA degrees and management diplomas are not acceptible despite being recognised by AICTE. The advertisement is available at sbi.co.in , Recruitment section You can contact them at Telefax : 022 – 2282 0427 Fax: 022 – 2282 0411 E-mail: crpd@sbi.co.in chairman@sbi.co.in cgm.hr@sbi.co.in They did the same thing when they advertised for around 400 Management Executives in Scale 2 last year

hi all

  SBI has advertised for 500 Management Executives in Senior Management Grade Scale 3. Eligibility is 3 years experience and Post Graduate Degree/Diploma in Business Administration or CA or ICWA. However, still they have included below clause in the advertisement

(The course should be with a minimum 2 years full time duration. Course completed through correspondence
/ part time are not eligible. The institute should be recognized / approved by
Government / AICTE)

This means IGNOU's MBA degrees and management diplomas are not acceptible despite being recognised by AICTE.

The advertisement is available at sbi.co.in , Recruitment section
You can contact them at

Telefax : 022 – 2282 0427
Fax: 022 – 2282 0411
E-mail: crpd@sbi.co.in
chairman@sbi.co.in
cgm.hr@sbi.co.in

They did the same thing when they advertised for around 400 Management Executives in Scale 2 last year

That's a big letter indeed !!! I hope they will send similar letters to other government and private organizations too. The syndicate bank ad posted by you in [URL=http://www.santanu.in/forums/index.php?showtopic=6230]http://www.santanu.in/forums/index.php?showtopic=6230[/URL] also mentions "regular students" after mentioning that institutions recognized by Government of India will be eligible. Both IGNOU MCA and MBA students will be ineligible as a result. This thing seems to be catching on fast. I think IGNOU should pro actively send such letters to organizations and PSUs. They should also take up the matter at Govt. level to the Ministry of HRD. IGNOU must have sent a huge packet containing the documents. It includes MCA Programme Guide, Profile and all relevant documents. But it remains to be seen whether this will have the desired effect or fall in deaf ears. Most probably they will take the plea that advertisement has already been announced and they will consider the next time. Such recruitments are not very frequent...so the matter will have quiet burial. There are some other options - (i) RTI Letter to IOB asking for clarification (ii) Filing a case in a court (iii) Writing to Ministry of HRD (iv) RTI to Ministry of HRD I had sent mails to IOB but got no reply so far.

That's a big letter indeed !!! I hope they will send similar letters to other government and private organizations too.

The syndicate bank ad posted by you in http://www.santanu.in/forums/index.php?showtopic=6230 also mentions "regular students" after mentioning that institutions recognized by Government of India will be eligible. Both IGNOU MCA and MBA students will be ineligible as a result. This thing seems to be catching on fast. I think IGNOU should pro actively send such letters to organizations and PSUs. They should also take up the matter at Govt. level to the Ministry of HRD.

IGNOU must have sent a huge packet containing the documents. It includes MCA Programme Guide, Profile and all relevant documents. But it remains to be seen whether this will have the desired effect or fall in deaf ears. Most probably they will take the plea that advertisement has already been announced and they will consider the next time. Such recruitments are not very frequent...so the matter will have quiet burial.

There are some other options - (i) RTI Letter to IOB asking for clarification (ii) Filing a case in a court (iii) Writing to Ministry of HRD (iv) RTI to Ministry of HRD

I had sent mails to IOB but got no reply so far.

Letter sent from IGNOU-VC to Indian Overseas Bank - CMD attached

Letter sent from IGNOU-VC to Indian Overseas Bank - CMD attached

Attached File ( Number of downloads: 29 )
 IOB_letter.rtf

Most probably AICTE/UGC will ignore that letter. It is their job to grant recognition and maintain standards (even their activities were under cloud recently, as we all know). But most probably, it is not their job to see whether any other private agency is taking in IGNOU students or not. If anyone has any contact, one way is to raise a Parliament question on this matter through an M.P. Since Indira Gandhi's name is attached with this university, many congress M.P.s would probably be interested in the issue if they come to know of it  ;)  Writing to the PM or Sonia Gandhi or even Rahul Gandhi may even yield result  :rolleyes: Seriously.

Most probably AICTE/UGC will ignore that letter. It is their job to grant recognition and maintain standards (even their activities were under cloud recently, as we all know). But most probably, it is not their job to see whether any other private agency is taking in IGNOU students or not.

If anyone has any contact, one way is to raise a Parliament question on this matter through an M.P. Since Indira Gandhi's name is attached with this university, many congress M.P.s would probably be interested in the issue if they come to know of it  ;)  Writing to the PM or Sonia Gandhi or even Rahul Gandhi may even yield result  :rolleyes: Seriously.

I would like to suggest one thing i don't know will it work or not...But i think this matter should be raised outside IGNOU also...I mean since our courses are recognized..so we should write it to AICTE/UCG or some related bodies outside IGNOU against the discrimination... Secondly i tried  Dr. Neeta Kapay's cell phone but it was continuosly busy....

I would like to suggest one thing i don't know will it work or not...But i think this matter should be raised outside IGNOU also...I mean since our courses are recognized..so we should write it to AICTE/UCG or some related bodies outside IGNOU against the discrimination...

Secondly i tried  Dr. Neeta Kapay's cell phone but it was continuosly busy....

RTI is Right To Information Act. Under this act, any Indian Citizen can seek any information from any government or semi-government department or Public Sector Undertaking within a specific period. If information is not provided in time, there is a provision for imposing penalty on the department and officer dealing with it. This is an important tool for transparency at government level. Unfortunately, private sectors don't come under its purview. More at RTI here [site=550]http://rti.gov.in/[/site]

RTI is Right To Information Act. Under this act, any Indian Citizen can seek any information from any government or semi-government department or Public Sector Undertaking within a specific period. If information is not provided in time, there is a provision for imposing penalty on the department and officer dealing with it. This is an important tool for transparency at government level. Unfortunately, private sectors don't come under its purview. More at RTI here

Great thoughts santanu.  :applaud: As you said, its the responsibility of Ignou Placement cell to take the matter seriously and deal with it.. if the companies like TCS(who claims to have some social responsibility) are demoralizing Ignou standards in public like this then what is the use of doing all this circus? This is the high time for them to [b]DO[/b] their job and prove themselves, before getting permanentely labelled as outdated. As a student we should not think of ourselves. I too have experience as a S/W engineer and may or may not face problems tomorrow but if some one is making you sit out without even giving an opportunity to projust becuase you are from Ignou, we should(must) find a way to question them. @santanu, i dont know much about RTI and what all comes under it and in what way we can really get use from it. But if you feel that we can do something useful than commenting here pls guide us.

Great thoughts santanu.  :applaud:

As you said, its the responsibility of Ignou Placement cell to take the matter seriously and deal with it.. if the companies like TCS(who claims to have some social responsibility) are demoralizing Ignou standards in public like this then what is the use of doing all this circus?

This is the high time for them to DO their job and prove themselves, before getting permanentely labelled as outdated.

As a student we should not think of ourselves. I too have experience as a S/W engineer and may or may not face problems tomorrow but if some one is making you sit out without even giving an opportunity to projust becuase you are from Ignou, we should(must) find a way to question them.

@santanu, i dont know much about RTI and what all comes under it and in what way we can really get use from it. But if you feel that we can do something useful than commenting here pls guide us.

[QUOTE=anujpd,February 11, 2010 12:12 am] Further, it is pertinent to mention that you have not indicated your Enrol.No.  so as to prove that you are a bonafide student of  IGNOU’s MCA. [/QUOTE] What difference does it make if you are a bonafide student or not? They should be concerned with the facts of the matter (which is evident and on record) rather than whether the person reporting the matter is a bonafide student or not. [QUOTE]I am anyway already employed and I am not going to apply to IOB. However I am going to take a print of the original email and sign & send to IOB's Head Office. Hope you too modify it a bit, take a print , sign it and send it to IOB's Head Office[/QUOTE] Same is my case too. But being in the central govt. and part of the system too, I find that simple letters often don't work when uncomfortable questions are raised. They may simply remain silent. I am thinking of using RTI which is more effective, if the question is framed in a proper and painted manner. The RTI particulars regarding CPIO and Appellate Authorities of RTI are available at [URL=http://www.iob.in/uploads/RTI%20online.pdf]http://www.iob.in/uploads/RTI%20online.pdf[/URL] Once the reply is received, we may follow up the same with Ministry of HRD or IGNOU. The problem, however, is that the government has notified that "only such qualifications earned through distance mode, which are approved by DEC and wherever necessary, by AICTE, are recognized for the purpose of employment under [b][u]Central Government[/u][/b]." The recognition is not automatic by law for State Government or PSUs and they are free to pursue their own policy. [QUOTE]My only concern is that this should not become a regular trend among banks and other PSU organizations; my apologies if I have increased your work.[/QUOTE] On this issue government or semi-government organizations are relatively easy to deal with. But these organizations do not generate a large number of jobs. Most of the jobs are generated in the private sector, who are free to employ whoever they think match their criteria. In the past Wipro and other organizations have conducted campus interviews at IGNOU. Only a few like TCS had this criteria from the beginning. But now, (may be after the recession) the disturbing trend is that other companies are adopting "no distance education" policy for freshers too. In this case, it is the responsibility of the IGNOU placement cell to write to these organizations and convince them. A letter from a central university or HRD Ministry is not easy to ignore. [info=Article 39A {Equal justice and free legal aid}] The State shall secure that the operation of the legal system promotes justice, on a basis of equal opportunity, and shall, in particular, provide free legal aid, by suitable legislation or schemes or in any other way, to ensure that opportunities for securing justice are not denied to any citizen by reason of economic or other disabilities.[/info] If there is any law graduate or legal expert here, I would like the advise whether such requirements by private companies violate the above or any other equal opportunity provision of the Indian constitution. In that case RTI may be used in Ministry of HRD to find out what they are doing to ensure such provisions of law in respect of the private sector in particular. Many Government departments (my dept. included) are using the services of companies like TCS who discriminate against IGNOU MCA graduates. [b]Worse of all, even IGNOU is getting its ERP based system designed by TCS.[/b] Once the legal provision is known, we can try to raise the issue so that government takes a stand that companies which pursue discriminatory employment policies openly should not be granted government contracts, subsidies (like export benefits), tax benefits etc.

What difference does it make if you are a bonafide student or not? They should be concerned with the facts of the matter (which is evident and on record) rather than whether the person reporting the matter is a bonafide student or not.

Same is my case too. But being in the central govt. and part of the system too, I find that simple letters often don't work when uncomfortable questions are raised. They may simply remain silent. I am thinking of using RTI which is more effective, if the question is framed in a proper and painted manner. The RTI particulars regarding CPIO and Appellate Authorities of RTI are available at http://www.iob.in/uploads/RTI%20online.pdf Once the reply is received, we may follow up the same with Ministry of HRD or IGNOU.

The problem, however, is that the government has notified that "only such qualifications earned through distance mode, which are approved by DEC and wherever necessary, by AICTE, are recognized for the purpose of employment under Central Government." The recognition is not automatic by law for State Government or PSUs and they are free to pursue their own policy.

On this issue government or semi-government organizations are relatively easy to deal with. But these organizations do not generate a large number of jobs. Most of the jobs are generated in the private sector, who are free to employ whoever they think match their criteria. In the past Wipro and other organizations have conducted campus interviews at IGNOU. Only a few like TCS had this criteria from the beginning. But now, (may be after the recession) the disturbing trend is that other companies are adopting "no distance education" policy for freshers too. In this case, it is the responsibility of the IGNOU placement cell to write to these organizations and convince them. A letter from a central university or HRD Ministry is not easy to ignore.

Article 39A {Equal justice and free legal aid}

The State shall secure that the operation of the legal system promotes justice, on a basis of equal opportunity, and shall, in particular, provide free legal aid, by suitable legislation or schemes or in any other way, to ensure that opportunities for securing justice are not denied to any citizen by reason of economic or other disabilities.

If there is any law graduate or legal expert here, I would like the advise whether such requirements by private companies violate the above or any other equal opportunity provision of the Indian constitution. In that case RTI may be used in Ministry of HRD to find out what they are doing to ensure such provisions of law in respect of the private sector in particular.

Many Government departments (my dept. included) are using the services of companies like TCS who discriminate against IGNOU MCA graduates. Worse of all, even IGNOU is getting its ERP based system designed by TCS. Once the legal provision is known, we can try to raise the issue so that government takes a stand that companies which pursue discriminatory employment policies openly should not be granted government contracts, subsidies (like export benefits), tax benefits etc.

Please find below a copy of reply received from senior officials of IGNOU and my further reply to them. Due to security reasons , I have deleted some of the text. A similar issue was raised by me last July and the response from IGNOU was positive (their reply was sent to other government bodies also) . The way they have responded (within two days) , I expect that this time also they will be doing whatever is under their control. A word of advice to all of you ( I know I am very senior to almost all of you in terms of age & experience) : Please do not wait for someone else to come and take initiatives. It is easy to put blame on the public system and government, I am, too, a part of the same system. This outcry should have come from someone from you who is looking for a job, not from someone who is already working. I am anyway already employed and I am not going to apply to IOB. However I am [b]going to take a print of the original email and sign & send to IOB's Head Office[/b]. Hope you too modify it a bit, take a print , sign it and send it to IOB's Head Office Santanu , A copy of the reply sent by Mr Kutty was [b]also sent by him to Ms Neeta Kapai of Campus Placement Cell[/b] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:20 PM Sir   Thanks for the reply; my enrolment number is ...... I earlier sent you a similar mail when SBI advertised for around 400 Management Executives last July and they restricted the type of applicants to those having regular MBA degrees only. [b]Your goodself issued a written communication (with a copy of all certificates) to the SBI chairman describing the validity of IGNOU degrees.[/b] They have again advertised for 4500 Probationary Officers recently but, fortunately, [b]they have not laid down any such condition this time[/b]. This may be due to the reason that the job requirements may be different this time ( which is certainly not, I know the working of banks ) or it may also be [b]due to the efforts you have made earlier[/b]. My only concern is that this [b]should not become a regular trend[/b] among banks and other PSU organizations; my apologies if I have increased your work. I hold a [b]regular[/b] ... degree ( the 4-year degree which was UGC recognised for four batches and was closed later on ) from a central university located in .... We had a somewhat difficult time as many times the course material/books were not available and the examination dates were announced just a week before starting. IGNOU's case is different, you issue the tentative datesheet almost 5-6 months in advance and your course material is additionally available on eGyankosh. The way you have conducted your courses has been praised by my  .....   also who is pursuing MBA (Banking & Finance) from IGNOU. Regarding IOB, I am not one of the applicants as I am already holding a similar post. However, I[b] have raised the issue with a forum of IGNOU MCA students who are also separately taking up with IOB[/b] (through some written/official mode). regards Anuj Prasad Enr No  ......... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 11:18 AM Dear Mr. Anuj Prasad, I can understand your concern expressed in the mail.  It is true that [b]IGNOU’s MCA is recognized by AICTE/UGC/AIU/Distance Education Council[/b] and is widely accepted by all the Public Institutions including Public Sector Banks as well as Corporate Sectors.  Further, a no. of MCA degree holders of IGNOU have secured [b]Highly Skilled Multi-purpose (HSMP)[/b] visa offered by U.K. in the recent past and are employed there.   ........ we are taking up the matter with the higher authorities of Indian Overseas Bank.  Further, it is pertinent to mention that you have not indicated your Enrol.No.  so as to prove that you are a bonafide student of  IGNOU’s MCA. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, (K.K.Kutty) Dy.Registrar, SRD(R-I) On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, VCO Students ..... wrote: Dear Sir, You may kindly do the needful and send a suitable reply to the student at the earliest under intimation to VCO please. With regards, Vice-Chancellor's Office IGNOU, New Delhi Copy to Shri K K Kutty, Dy. Registrar (SED)

Please find below a copy of reply received from senior officials of IGNOU and my further reply to them. Due to security reasons , I have deleted some of the text. A similar issue was raised by me last July and the response from IGNOU was positive (their reply was sent to other government bodies also) . The way they have responded (within two days) , I expect that this time also they will be doing whatever is under their control. A word of advice to all of you ( I know I am very senior to almost all of you in terms of age & experience) : Please do not wait for someone else to come and take initiatives. It is easy to put blame on the public system and government, I am, too, a part of the same system. This outcry should have come from someone from you who is looking for a job, not from someone who is already working.

I am anyway already employed and I am not going to apply to IOB. However I am going to take a print of the original email and sign & send to IOB's Head Office. Hope you too modify it a bit, take a print , sign it and send it to IOB's Head Office

Santanu , A copy of the reply sent by Mr Kutty was also sent by him to Ms Neeta Kapai of Campus Placement Cell
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:20 PM
Sir

  Thanks for the reply; my enrolment number is ......

I earlier sent you a similar mail when SBI advertised for around 400 Management Executives last July and they restricted the type of applicants to those having regular MBA degrees only. Your goodself issued a written communication (with a copy of all certificates) to the SBI chairman describing the validity of IGNOU degrees. They have again advertised for 4500 Probationary Officers recently but, fortunately, they have not laid down any such condition this time. This may be due to the reason that the job requirements may be different this time ( which is certainly not, I know the working of banks ) or it may also be due to the efforts you have made earlier.

My only concern is that this should not become a regular trend among banks and other PSU organizations; my apologies if I have increased your work.

I hold a regular ... degree ( the 4-year degree which was UGC recognised for four batches and was closed later on ) from a central university located in .... We had a somewhat difficult time as many times the course material/books were not available and the examination dates were announced just a week before starting. IGNOU's case is different, you issue the tentative datesheet almost 5-6 months in advance and your course material is additionally available on eGyankosh. The way you have conducted your courses has been praised by my  .....   also who is pursuing MBA (Banking & Finance) from IGNOU.

Regarding IOB, I am not one of the applicants as I am already holding a similar post. However, I have raised the issue with a forum of IGNOU MCA students who are also separately taking up with IOB (through some written/official mode).

regards

Anuj Prasad
Enr No  .........

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 11:18 AM


Dear Mr. Anuj Prasad,

I can understand your concern expressed in the mail.  It is true that IGNOU’s MCA is recognized by AICTE/UGC/AIU/Distance Education Council and is widely accepted by all the Public Institutions including Public Sector Banks as well as Corporate Sectors.  Further, a no. of MCA degree holders of IGNOU have secured Highly Skilled Multi-purpose (HSMP) visa offered by U.K. in the recent past and are employed there.
 
........

we are taking up the matter with the higher authorities of Indian Overseas Bank.  Further, it is pertinent to mention that you have not indicated your Enrol.No.  so as to prove that you are a bonafide student of  IGNOU’s MCA.



With best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

(K.K.Kutty)

Dy.Registrar, SRD(R-I)


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, VCO Students ..... wrote:

Dear Sir,

You may kindly do the needful and send a suitable reply to the student at the earliest under intimation to VCO please.

With regards,

Vice-Chancellor's Office
IGNOU, New Delhi

Copy to Shri K K Kutty, Dy. Registrar (SED)

Hi Friends, We need to stood up together against this issue as mentioned. anoop.mcanational :- Thank you , for this post. U're post was really encouraging. Since , am also taking MCA from IGNOU, Kerala and also on job hunt. I've 2.7yrs of experience in IT industry, and 1.2yrs as s/w developer. But am finding it difficult to get a job. May be, from now onwards , i can hope for the best  :D IGNOU RULES!!!!  :thumbsup: regards, Eva

Hi Friends,

We need to stood up together against this issue as mentioned.

anoop.mcanational :- Thank you , for this post. U're post was really encouraging. Since , am also taking MCA from IGNOU, Kerala and also on job hunt.

I've 2.7yrs of experience in IT industry, and 1.2yrs as s/w developer. But am finding it difficult to get a job. May be, from now onwards , i can hope for the best  :D

IGNOU RULES!!!!  :thumbsup:

regards,

Eva

[QUOTE] I have noticed that people always have a discrimination towards the Distance Education courses. As all of u knows that IGNOU is a central university established under parliament act, member of Association of Indian Universities, and the degrees awarded by IGNOU are recognised by all state and central universities. But people will not take this into account[/QUOTE] There are many university in India providing distance learning and its very easy to get degree from here but there is a perception of bad reputation among organization for these universities. I agree IGNOU maintains its reputation and standards in all fields but still it is a open university.When eligibility criteria for requirements restricts Open university students to apply for job how IGNOU will be considered. Its saying "A rotten apple injures its companions"

There are many university in India providing distance learning and its very easy to
get degree from here but there is a perception of bad reputation among organization for these universities.
I agree IGNOU maintains its reputation and standards in all fields but still it is a open university.When eligibility criteria for requirements restricts Open university students to apply for job how IGNOU will be considered.
Its saying "A rotten apple injures its companions"

Hai Friends,                    I have noticed that people always have a discrimination towards the Distance Education courses. As all of u knows that IGNOU is a central university established under parliament act, member of Association of Indian Universities, and the degrees awarded by IGNOU are recognised by all state and central universities. But people will not take this into account. Santanu is correct, a person who is doing his MCA/ MBA/ Degree from IGNOU along with their job will not find any problem in getting enough recognition. But this is not the case with the freshers :thumbdown:  I want to say one thing " The persons who have completed BTech / MTech/ MCA from top rated indian universites even doesn't know how to operate a computer , but there IGNOU students rocks really great ! As i am working as a Software Engineer here at Technopark, trivandrum, I can see a number of candidates who have completed BTech/ MTech/ MCA are coming for interview for post of Software Programmer / Trainees.  And i got many opportunities to conduct interviews for them.They don't even know Object Oriented programming Concepts. So students who have completed / doing MCA or any other course from IGNOU dont be get tensed. Noone can restrict real talent.Now Kerala University have approved IGNOU MCA equivalent to MCA degree awared by Kerala University and no problem in doing higher studeis like PhD from the university and we can apply for lecture post in Kerala university too .And this issue with the IOB recruitment should be reported to MHRD and the Higher Banking authorities.Otherwise other banks will too show this discrimination towards IGNOU students. Thank you  :thanks:  for posting this topic ! "EAST AND WEST IGNOU IS THE BEST" !!! Jaihind  :thumbsup: <br /><br /><span class='edit'>This post has been edited by [b]anoop.mcanational[/b] on February 09, 2010 10:25 am</span>

Hai Friends,
                   I have noticed that people always have a discrimination towards the Distance Education courses. As all of u knows that IGNOU is a central university established under parliament act, member of Association of Indian Universities, and the degrees awarded by IGNOU are recognised by all state and central universities. But people will not take this into account. Santanu is correct, a person who is doing his MCA/ MBA/ Degree from IGNOU along with their job will not find any problem in getting enough recognition. But this is not the case with the freshers :thumbdown:  I want to say one thing " The persons who have completed BTech / MTech/ MCA from top rated indian universites even doesn't know how to operate a computer , but there IGNOU students rocks really great ! As i am working as a Software Engineer here at Technopark, trivandrum, I can see a number of candidates who have completed BTech/ MTech/ MCA are coming for interview for post of Software Programmer / Trainees.  And i got many opportunities to conduct interviews for them.They don't even know Object Oriented programming Concepts. So students who have completed / doing
MCA or any other course from IGNOU dont be get tensed. Noone can restrict real talent.Now Kerala University have approved IGNOU MCA equivalent to MCA degree awared by Kerala University and no problem in doing higher studeis like PhD from the university and we can apply for lecture post in Kerala university too .And this issue with the IOB recruitment should be reported to MHRD and the Higher Banking authorities.Otherwise other banks will too show this discrimination towards IGNOU students.
Thank you  :thanks:  for posting this topic ! "EAST AND WEST IGNOU IS THE BEST" !!! Jaihind  :thumbsup:

This post has been edited by anoop.mcanational on February 09, 2010 10:25 am

Friends, Iam of the opinion that letter to HRD Min should be in hard copy rather than Email, sometimes no one downloads the attachment and sees the prints, Iam posting some of the imp phone nos of iob one letter to them by fax should take care. If any of the friends have access they can make it a loksabha question see the Att

Friends,
Iam of the opinion that letter to HRD Min should be in hard copy rather than Email, sometimes no one downloads the attachment and sees the prints, Iam posting some of the imp phone nos of iob one letter to them by fax should take care. If any of the friends have access they can make it a loksabha question

see the Att

Attached File ( Number of downloads: 14 )
 iobnos.doc

These days I am seeing more and more companies specifically mentioning that distance education graduates are not eligible to apply. But I am surprised to see that IOB ad has mentioned this too. This is a disturbing trend. It seems to be a growing fashion these days to mention it. They seem to have an allergy with the "distance education" thing rather than having any logical basis. IGNOU seems to have become a money making machine, more interested in squeezing money out of students at every pretext but it is sleeping over this issue. The Campus Placement Division in particular is non-functional and only conducting silly student surveys and nothing else. @anuj...you have mailed the matter to many persons but left out Dr. Neeta Kapai who is the Deputy Director of Campus Placement Cell. Please send a copy to her. [QUOTE]I am sure many of IOB's senior officials must have pursued/pursuing IGNOU's MBA (Banking & Finance) conducted in distance-education mode in collaboration with Indian Institute of Banking & Finance (IIBF). What about their degrees???[/QUOTE] Maybe...but you'd see that the main problem is with recruiting freshers. Otherwise, people already working in the industry with IGNOU degrees do not face such problems because work experience matters more than educational background. [b]To bring it in the immediate attention of the government, at least regarding the IOB matter, I think you can ask a properly framed, short but pointed question under RTI to the Human Resource Ministry on this issue[/b]. That will have the best effect. Sending emails may be the easiest way but it will not have the desired effect in government departments as there is no statutory obligation to process emails.

These days I am seeing more and more companies specifically mentioning that distance education graduates are not eligible to apply. But I am surprised to see that IOB ad has mentioned this too. This is a disturbing trend. It seems to be a growing fashion these days to mention it. They seem to have an allergy with the "distance education" thing rather than having any logical basis.

IGNOU seems to have become a money making machine, more interested in squeezing money out of students at every pretext but it is sleeping over this issue. The Campus Placement Division in particular is non-functional and only conducting silly student surveys and nothing else.

@anuj...you have mailed the matter to many persons but left out Dr. Neeta Kapai who is the Deputy Director of Campus Placement Cell. Please send a copy to her.

Maybe...but you'd see that the main problem is with recruiting freshers. Otherwise, people already working in the industry with IGNOU degrees do not face such problems because work experience matters more than educational background.

To bring it in the immediate attention of the government, at least regarding the IOB matter, I think you can ask a properly framed, short but pointed question under RTI to the Human Resource Ministry on this issue. That will have the best effect. Sending emails may be the easiest way but it will not have the desired effect in government departments as there is no statutory obligation to process emails.

fromAnuj Prasad <anujprasadbit@yahoo.com> torbhaskaran@iibf.org.in, secy.dhe@nic.in, vcostudents@ignou.ac.in, gsubbayamma@ignou.ac.in, ravisankar@hotmail.com, bbkhanna@ignou.ac.in, pksinclair@ignou.ac.in, dkchoudhry@ignou.ac.in, klaxman@ignou.ac.in, rajasekharpillai@gmail.com, ckghosh@ignou.ac.in, masoodparveez@ignou.ac.in, vnr.pillai@ignou.ac.in, vco@ignou.ac.in, professor.mishra@gmail.com, opmishra@ignou.ac.in, parvin_sinclair@yahoo.com, dkchoudhry@yahoo.com, kapilsibal@hotmail.com, kapil@kapilsibal.com, ksibal@sansad.nic.in, bcamca-india@yahoogroups.com, info@annamalaiuniversity.ac.in, distanceprog@annauniv.edu, jaideep.bose@timesgroup.com, toieditorial@timesgroup.com, feedback@hindustantimes.com, Inform@deccanmail.com, letters@thehindu.co.in, thehindu@vsnl.com cccmd@iobnet.co.in, madanyl@iobnet.co.in, nupurmitra@iobnet.co.in, accounts@iobnet.com dateMon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM subjectIndian Overseas Bank Recruitment Project-2010 mailed-byyahoo.com signed-byyahoo.com hide details 8:01 PM (2 hours ago) Sir/Madam Please refer to the below extract from attached Indian Overseas Bank's (IOB) advertisement for recruitment of MANAGER- INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY in MMG Scale-II where they have announced that Part time/ Correspondence/Distance learning degree holders are not eligible for the post advertised. << A. Educational Qualifications: (As on 01.01.2010): B.Tech Degree (Computer Science/Information Technology/ Electronics & Communication/Computer Technology/Tele-communication Engineering) / B.E Degree (Computer Science/Information Technology/ Electronics & Communication/Computer Technology/Tele-communication Engineering) /MCA • Please note that Candidates should have passed B.Tech/B.E/MCA through full time course. • Candidates who have passed B.Tech/B.E/MCA through Part time/ Correspondence/Distance learning courses are not eligible to apply >> I understand that MCA course of IGNOU is a Distance Education Degree Course and is fully recognised by [b]UGC, AICTE and Distance Education Council[/b]. However as per below clause, MCA degree holders from IGNOU are not eligible to apply. I fail to understand how such a nationalised bank (IOB) can discriminate against degrees granted by an institution of national repute (IGNOU) , which has been set up by an Act of Parliament. In contrast, there are many such courses being imparted by so-called regular colleges (including 44 so called deemed universities to be de-recognised by government) which are being conducted without sufficient teachers, and other support services and facilities. However such courses are acceptable by IOB. I am also pursuing MCA from IGNOU alongwith working as Manager-IT in MMGS-II with a leading nationalised bank. Owing to IGNOU's stringent passing standards and my full-time work, I expect to clear it in four and a half years instead of the minimum three years. However my efforts to attain this degree will be of no use if government organisations themselves do not accept distance education degrees. I am sure many of IOB's senior officials must have pursued/pursuing IGNOU's MBA (Banking & Finance) conducted in distance-education mode in collaboration with Indian Institute of Banking & Finance (IIBF). What about their degrees??? Further, I wonder why the government is spending so much tax payers' money on running IGNOU and other open universities if such an approach is to be taken. I request all concerned to look into the matter and take necessary steps so that such discrimination does not become a precedent to be followed by other government institutions/bodies and other nationalised banks. Thanks and regards Anuj Prasad

fromAnuj Prasad <anujprasadbit@yahoo.com>
torbhaskaran@iibf.org.in,
secy.dhe@nic.in,
vcostudents@ignou.ac.in,
gsubbayamma@ignou.ac.in,
ravisankar@hotmail.com,
bbkhanna@ignou.ac.in,
pksinclair@ignou.ac.in,
dkchoudhry@ignou.ac.in,
klaxman@ignou.ac.in,
rajasekharpillai@gmail.com,
ckghosh@ignou.ac.in,
masoodparveez@ignou.ac.in,
vnr.pillai@ignou.ac.in,
vco@ignou.ac.in,
professor.mishra@gmail.com,
opmishra@ignou.ac.in,
parvin_sinclair@yahoo.com,
dkchoudhry@yahoo.com,
kapilsibal@hotmail.com,
kapil@kapilsibal.com,
ksibal@sansad.nic.in,
bcamca-india@yahoogroups.com,
info@annamalaiuniversity.ac.in,
distanceprog@annauniv.edu,
jaideep.bose@timesgroup.com,
toieditorial@timesgroup.com,
feedback@hindustantimes.com,
Inform@deccanmail.com,
letters@thehindu.co.in,
thehindu@vsnl.com

cccmd@iobnet.co.in,
madanyl@iobnet.co.in,
nupurmitra@iobnet.co.in,
accounts@iobnet.com

dateMon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM
subjectIndian Overseas Bank Recruitment Project-2010
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Sir/Madam

Please refer to the below extract from attached Indian Overseas Bank's (IOB) advertisement for recruitment of MANAGER- INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY in MMG Scale-II where they have announced that Part time/ Correspondence/Distance learning degree holders are not eligible for the post advertised.

<<
A. Educational Qualifications: (As on 01.01.2010):
B.Tech Degree (Computer Science/Information Technology/ Electronics & Communication/Computer Technology/Tele-communication Engineering) / B.E Degree (Computer Science/Information Technology/ Electronics & Communication/Computer Technology/Tele-communication Engineering) /MCA
• Please note that Candidates should have passed B.Tech/B.E/MCA through full time course.
• Candidates who have passed B.Tech/B.E/MCA through Part time/ Correspondence/Distance learning courses are not eligible to apply
>>

I understand that MCA course of IGNOU is a Distance Education Degree Course and is fully recognised by UGC, AICTE and Distance Education Council. However as per below clause, MCA degree holders from IGNOU are not eligible to apply.

I fail to understand how such a nationalised bank (IOB) can discriminate against degrees granted by an institution of national repute (IGNOU) , which has been set up by an Act of Parliament. In contrast, there are many such courses being imparted by so-called regular colleges (including 44 so called deemed universities to be de-recognised by government) which are being conducted without sufficient teachers, and other support services and facilities. However such courses are acceptable by IOB.

I am also pursuing MCA from IGNOU alongwith working as Manager-IT in MMGS-II with a leading nationalised bank. Owing to IGNOU's stringent passing standards and my full-time work, I expect to clear it in four and a half years instead of the minimum three years. However my efforts to attain this degree will be of no use if government organisations themselves do not accept distance education degrees.

I am sure many of IOB's senior officials must have pursued/pursuing IGNOU's MBA (Banking & Finance) conducted in distance-education mode in collaboration with Indian Institute of Banking & Finance (IIBF). What about their degrees???

Further, I wonder why the government is spending so much tax payers' money on running IGNOU and other open universities if such an approach is to be taken.

I request all concerned to look into the matter and take necessary steps so that such discrimination does not become a precedent to be followed by other government institutions/bodies and other nationalised banks.

Thanks and regards
Anuj Prasad

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